When listing additional links that show other's
experiences with related issues, Bing Soy watched through this video, involving a false composition claim for a "Metal cover" when the original soundtrack was used. That made him double check the text of the claims. Now everything has become more fishy.
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| "Why you can't trust the Undertale soundtrack (And why the YouTube copyright system is messed up)" by flmejndor |
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| Suspicious |
you can try appealing it, try to find the closest dispute type,
questioning whether is is the real copyright owner (Toby Fox) but this
matters more if you're able to make money off it and if not bothered to
deal with it, there shouldn't be ads anyway due to seeing the
monetization off by default for this specific and possibly false
claim(s), especially the "Metal Cover" claim you see in the above image
(middle).
claim seems to be doing. This seems like one of those claims due to
incompetency of the claimants AND broken YouTube system part more than
actual malicious intentions.
sure if there's anything malicious that could happen by disputing it,
since you aren't partner, the only personal info you possibly leak is
your legal name. Wait, another development. Doing tests again.
out you can see who's doing the claim but it's almost "hidden" because
you have to go make a dispute to even see it (don't have to submit one
straight away) - that's questionable design. The common publisher
claimant observed is "Materia Music Publishing", the same name that appeared in aforementioned video.
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| Claimed by Materia Music Publishing |
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| Claimed by Materia Music Publishing |
"Music
laws and YouTube's policies haven't changed in the last 2 years. If you
got claimed for a Let's Play, feel free to dispute."
—materiacollective reddit account (RE: A company named Materia Collective LLC has been claiming my videos recently) 2022-01-04
—materiacollective reddit account (RE: A company named Materia Collective LLC has been claiming my videos recently) 2019-07-19
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By "dispute", not really sure if they mean to use the YouTube dispute or to use their contact form. Not sure if "gameplay footage" can include games that aren't Undertale or Deltarune. There's only one way to find out for sure. Hopefully they won't do anything dumb like strike your video and rather just tell you whether your use is approved or not and free the claim if it is. If not, your video should still be up (as stated in their FAQ).
All this research led us here, seems like it's legit. Would've saved some time if more information was easily available (including website links/contact info, to at least have more info to go off).
A bit of post-research to see ad status of other videos that use Undertale/Deltarune music:
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| Ads are allowed on this playthrough of Deltarune by popular YouTuber "UNDERTALE 2?! | Deltarune - Part 1" by jacksepticeye |
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| Undertale music being used with TF2 footage - ads allowed but there are other copyrighted tracks, so maybe not good example, less certain if ads only go to copyright owner and 0% for Uncle Dane Video: "More Scream Fortress" by Uncle Dane |
End.
(scroll down for some other methods to earn money, don't necessarily have to wait for YouTube partner)
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"As mentioned on my previous comment, do you have any advice on what steps to take to remove fraudulent claims? Still struggling quite a bit on what to do with my video, it got claimed for a Toby Fox song despite it being non-copyright, so maybe you'll know what to do as a similar thing happened to you?"
—ca7x3 a.k.a λlex
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| screenshot of copyright dialog of video "TF2: The Hot Hand™" by ca7x3/λlex sent in by them |
Due to the lack of monetization option shown here, it's safe to assume monetization isn't enabled on their channel. Sure, the video may be fine when it comes to being up but we must know more.
To get to the bottom of this, Bing Soy re-uploaded this video by user Misaki of the exact claimed track "Death by Glamour" on his channel to see what this claim looks like on a channel that has monetization enabled (see image below for criteria, may be a bit brutal for starting YouTubers looking to make it their living, see further below for alternate revenue streams)
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| 2022-01-24: screenshot before TF channel has monetization enabled, criteria of becoming YouTube partner (ability to monetize/make money of your videos) |
The upload test using claimed track "Death by Glamour" by Toby Fox:
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| Hovering over the icon reveals that this is a "composition claim" - the melody itself is copyrighted (might be legit and intentional) |
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| "Authorised"? Possibility to share? |
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| Says something about "cover" but theres no further information Not sure if it's just default text and not sure if sharing option encompasses uses like gaming |
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| Enabling monetization, not sure if anything bad can come from this, "surely" it's fine since you and the original composer is getting paid? |
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| Window that comes up to determine which ads (if any) will be played on your video (some trust system thing that tracks your reliability of declaring videos safe for advertisers, YouTube probably want to appease the advertisers) |
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| Video should now "share" revenue earned, though not sure about the revenue split |
Other workarounds/methods of revenue:
- set up donation link in description for viewers to have option to support you
possible options (some of many, do research on them, find more, see what you like/trust) - https://www.buymeacoffee.com/
- https://ko-fi.com/
- https://www.subscribestar.com/
- https://www.patreon.com/
- upload video (without publishing) with the music you want to use first,
to be informed whether or not the video will be
monetized/claimed/allowed to be kept up and whether you're ok with the
video being a "freebie", whether or not you want to pick another music track that won't be detected by copyright so you can keep "100%" of profits (technically 55% for you, 45% for YouTube default), uploading first without publishing can also help with whether the video will be allowed to be up in the first place due to copyright issue legit or not, can be more convenient to solve copyright issue before official upload but can be annoying since you may want video up ASAP to show fruits of your labor - (requires YouTube partner) Memberships and Supers (see below), YouTube takes a 30% cut of money made this way
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| Way for people to show support with custom emoji, "perks", badges |
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| Way for people to show support with a highlighted comment |
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| another test uploading the λlex video in question itself |
As you can see from another test (see above), uploading the exact video to make sure, you should be able to monetize (share), channel "not affected" meaning no strikes meaning your channel should be fine, video visibility is unaffected (it would show private it there was problem). So concern here not so much about having a problem, the system it telling you that that certain composition is detected (correct) and will let you keep the video and be able to share monetization with the original composer.
But monetization requires you to be a YouTube partner.
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| The "Copyright claim" text may worry you but should be leave it as is since (see above) channel is not affected |
This is one of the less worse claims you can get, compared to getting a truly false claim.
This post is written assuming this is a legitmate claim, it's hard to sell when you can't even see any information as to who's claiming it and on whose behalf. If you're really bothered you can attempt contacting relevant people to find out if it's truly legitimate, but can imagine that being a slow and possible waste of time due to difficulty to reach people.
YouTube should be providing useful verifying info that legitimizes claims or at least make it easier to tell whether it's fake or not. YouTube's track record for features isn't too good (like complete removal dislike bar, not even a choice, bring it back with this third-party browser plugin), people bring issues to light all the time (especially copyright) but YouTube doesn't seem completely on top of things. Short staffed? Red tape? Company politics? Who knows.
Hope this was helpful in someway and possibly others who may have a similar copyright issue, despite being new to being a YouTube partner that hasn't personally dealt with a lot of copyright issues (yet). Seems like there's some grey area to consider when it comes to dealing with these things (do you have the power to dispute this, is it worth disputing, do you want to allow this seemingly legitimate claim to share money with someone whose identify you can't verify?, is your time better spend re-doing stuff because that's more effective than trying to appeal in a broken system). Can only imagine the problems grow worse the more you grow but will that stop you?
Wonder if YouTube will be more fair/have a better system in place than minimizes misuse and for copyright enforcement be revised in general on YouTube and law-wise to be more considerate of this new era of sharing stuff and remixing to makes something new. It would help people focus more on making videos instead of being worried about treading lightly (one may say don't know what am talking about, fair enough, but we see what we learn in the coming years).
Check out (ca7x3 aka λlex), they also made TF2 video:
https://www.youtube.com/ca7x3
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| "TF2: The Hot Hand™ by ca7x3 (🖱️⬆️ 🔗) |
more links:
other people having this issue (seems to be lack of official response):
https://old.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/gsigi4/my_undertale_videos_got_copyrighted_for_using/
https://reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/kbiujg/is_deltarune_music_copyrighted/
https://reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/tbxuus/is_deltarune_music_not_copyrighted_like_free_to/
steam community Discussions>Undertale "I'am a Youtuber who keep getting Copyright claims just for playing your games."
steam community Discussions>Undertale "Undertale's music copyright on Youtube"
"Why you can't trust the Undertale soundtrack (And why the YouTube copyright system is messed up)" by flmejndor, this video kind of makes the claim potentially more suspicious
https://reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/ceip3j/a_company_named_materia_collective_llc_has_been/
possibly real materia collective (claimant) response https://reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/ceip3j/a_company_named_materia_collective_llc_has_been/eu5lu3q/
Almost exact problem Bing Soy experienced (false claim from fraud):
"UNDERTALE MUSIC BEING FALSE COPYRIGHT CLAIMED" by 0G
